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Wow!....I do relate to you as far the connection physically and emotionally....it is rare when you really find someone that you can connect with in all the terms. Unfortunately, his behavior is not healthy for you or him. I'm in a situation a bit more complicated, but I get the same feeling of being in a roller coster of emotions and confussions, some days I feel like we are on top of the world....and sometimes all the isolation destroys my emotional and physical being. |
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Hi I am able to relate to you. I have been dating a man who for 9 months. I finally asked him after nine months what I was to him he said I don't know...He lost someone in his life who was very wealthy and he cared for her for a job for 7 years. He filmed porn on the side he made movies. Now he is not living with a millionaire and had to take a job not so great I have stood by and supported him through all this.. Have listened and talked to him like a shrink. And helped his head.. Mental state he also helped mine I was going through a loss of 3 three year relationship still am at times. So he has helped me I have helped him..Now we are both so tired he is now employed finally our sex life is wonderful. We both have suffered alot of pain in our relationship and helped each other move on. Now when I asked him this from frustration of his taking care of only himself the other day. And not calling me and he answered me I don't know...Im lost can anyone help...??????? |
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I agree with Sassygirl. This man is seriously damaged and you need to GET OUT NOW! This relationship is far too complicated. He is manipulative and insensitive. I am a psychiatric nurse and this man sounds like he may be a sociopath. He has clearly given you a lot of red flags that he may well be an abuser (isolative, doesn't like women or even people, distant from his family....). You deserve a lot better than an off-again, on-again relationship. Those few times he does seem "sensitive" are not enough. This man is self-centered and immature in his behaviour. I don't want to sound mean, but I want you to keep yourself safe, physically and emotionally. Dump him! It will be hard, but in the end a relationship with him will be a whole lot harder! Listen to sassygirl, "You cannot - and I reiterate CANNOT - fix this man. Holding out for him to "change" will only bring you heartache and misery." Take care of yourself. |
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Okay, honey, I'm gonna wave the bullsh*t flag on this guy. He's not "sensitive" nor has he been "hurt in the past." He's playing mind games with you. In what real sense of loving someone would anyone play games or test them to prove their love. Especially a man who is 40-some-odd years old??? Only a teenager would do some crap like that. That isn't real love. This guy sounds borderline abusive and he also sounds as if he has a borderline personality disorder. You will always have to work ten times more to get him to give you the slightest return on YOUR emotional investment and he WANTS it that way because deep down inside he gets a power trip off of having you cater to all of his needs. Abuse can be more than physical and, honestly, to me he sounds as if he's an emotional abuser. You probably won't agree with me, but I think you should get out now while you still can. Why would you want to be with someone who didn't really want to have a relationship with anyone. Also, why would you want to be with a man who says, "he despises women because they can’t be trusted and they are selfish." The scary thing is that the vast majority of abusers and serial killers of women have all said the same thing. You cannot - and I reiterate CANNOT - fix this man. Holding out for him to "change" will only bring you heartache and misery. I have been where you are except my difference was I was 19 and the guy was 20. He always went on and on about how women had hurt him in the past. So I thought I could be the one girl that would change that for him. First he began repeatedly cheating on me (to which I forgave him, over and over again). Then he began to tear me down so that he could make himself feel better. Then, finally, he smacked me around after a while because, well - if he was p*ssed off at something, I was a conveinent punching bag. Please get out now while you can. If he really loved you and wanted to be with you, then he wouldn't hide behind this so-called wall. He'd be willing to open up. There's always the honeymoon period with an abuser and then it slowly devolves into the abuse. You should be with a man who isn't afraid to open up to you emotionally and who doesn't "hide" you from other women in his life. The simplest answer to your question is: if you're having these doubts then give yourself the advice that you'd give one of your friends? Would you tell one of them to stick it out? I know I wouldn't. Good luck and Godspeed. |
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Hey dear, u'r right in your ways. There could be a past experience that stops him from expressing his feelings properly. However, i think u are aware of some of the incidents. U've mentioned about his friends. They are also part of his life. Do u think u can go ahead with a person who is not ready to leave his past wounds. I agree by reading ur past instances that he loves u a lot. However, that's not sufficient reason to live in this critical relationship. He's mature enough to know and understand what is good for him and for his relationship. He's still in contact with his past, that's good. However, not telling his friends about you is just not done. How come he's thinking about other's feelings and giving preferences to their feelings over urs. I can definitely share a good news with anyone. How is he so sure that ur news is going to hurt his frnds. Don't u think something is still not said? Why don't u go ahead and have a straight talk with him. I understand that losing him is not what u want. But trust me, it'll happen very soon if u didn't got any clear response from his side. I'd the same experience and i mentioned it clearly to my love that he needs to give some attention to our relation. Somehow, it didn't happened and we are living separate now. That's pretty painful. However, wat's more painful is that I realized it so lately. Plz think about urself first. Wat u want and wat's ur expectation from this relationship. I think u need to talk to ur love and clear out the confusing wind. |


I have decided to post this because those of you reading this obviously do not have an emotional connection to my situation and could probably provide the best recommendations from your point of view. I invite both men and women to share their thoughts as I am sure many of you understand when you are in a relationship and you feel very strongly for that person it’s easy to get caught up in the emotions. Sometimes the logical thought process ends up out the window.
So, with that said, here’s my situation. I met my BF/SO ten months ago. It was the typical love at first sight scenario; the first time I laid eyes on him the world seemed to stop and the 200 other people in the room seemed to fade away. Our initial conversation was brief but very intriguing. He didn’t respond much to my efforts to learn more about him personally. I found out many months later why. He’s one of those guys who is VERY selective with whom he chooses to allow to get to know him, especially women. My initial impression of that is at some point in his life he must have gotten his heart broken and hasn’t completely healed from it. Women, like me, have a tendency to forgive much quicker than men. When I left that conference where I met him and went back home I found myself thinking about him all the time. I later found out he did the same thing about me and he expressed his thoughts about how he wished he had responded to my conversation a little more. Long story short, about six months ago we ended up getting to know each other a little more and eventually the relationship blossomed. It progressed at a steady pace but in the beginning he was very closed off and wasn’t much for conversation but he asked me a lot of personal questions about previous relationships, etc. I asked similar questions and got only general answers. He often expressed that other women he had met seemed to be attracted to his stand-offish demeanor and found it a challenge to try and break through his wall. He also said the more he enforced the wall, the more women seemed to throw themselves at him. But, he also made it very clear to me and several of our mutual male acquaintances that he despises women because they can’t be trusted and they are selfish. I of course ignored all those I would call “defensive” comments as I felt the comments stemmed from the wound he still carried from a past relationship. Anyway, one day the wall came crashing down and the silent, stand-offish guy I met turned out to be what I consider one of the most sincere, caring guys I had ever met. Once he opened up our relationship soared into the next level. Before he opened up he did talk about how he was saving every penny for his retirement. He wants to purchase land and a very nice home in the wilderness to get away from people. He often expresses he feelings of dislike towards people in general. His drive to save for his retirement is quite admirable and he stops at nothing that would stand in the way of that. A few months ago he started talking about his retirement dreams, the only difference was that I was now included in the scenario. He’s in his early 40s and has no children and has never been married. He would talk about why he’s never been married, because he doesn’t trust women. He keeps himself basically cut-off from his family and lives the life of a loaner. It’s a shame because when he did finally let me past his wall, he’s such an amazing guy. Things have continued to progress and he’s even mentioned marriage. But, here’s my dilemma… Some days he’s the guy I met, meaning what I would term emotionally turned off, and other days he’s the guy I discovered behind the 20-foot wall. This relationship for me has turned into a rollercoaster ride that on one hand has been the most fulfilling experience I have ever encountered; while on the other hand, has been the most painful. On the days he’s emotionally turned off I am left wondering if he will just merely walk away because it’s the easier thing for him to do, after all, before we meet he pretty much decided he was going to spend his life alone and never be close to someone, let alone a woman. I have witnessed him gazing at pictures of very attractive women on his computer. I expressed my thoughts on that and told him how it hurt me. I asked him how he would feel if the table was turned and he said he would feel as if he wasn’t good enough. After I mentioned that I haven’t seen him do it again. I even thanked him for not doing that in front of me and he had a very hard time accepting the compliment. I didn’t understand his reaction and tried to talk to him about it. He merely said he doesn’t require compliments like that. Once again, I’m left feeling like he’s emotionally pushing me away or that maybe this is just another test of his to see if I will stick around. This reminds me of a situation that occurred a couple months ago. We got into a small argument, the topic I don’t remember as my ability to forgive and forget is very high. Anyway, he left the room and went into the living room. After about 20 minutes I joined him sitting on the floor in front of the fireplace. He broke down in tears and thanked me for coming out to “make-up” with him. He said most women would have either left or stayed in the other room. I told him it was going to take a lot more than an argument to make me walk away.
He has on numerous occasions expressed to me his genuine love for me but yet his behavior totally confuses me. I have continued to stay on the rollercoaster because as of now, I can’t imagine life without someone like him in it. He and I are so much alike and think so much alike. I have never had a connection emotionally and physically with anyone like this before, that is with the guy behind the wall, not with the one with the wall up.
So, I ask all of you. Should I stay or should I go? This guy has told me that if things don’t work out between us, he’ll most likely never have a relationship with another woman again. Is all the stuff he does merely a test to see if I will just up and leave? One more thing to add to the complexity of this situation.. He has two women friends whom he has said that before me he was involved with. One of them he has known for eleven years. They have lived together on and off but when asked for a commitment he wouldn’t do it, yet he has allowed her to stick around. I asked him one time what was missing out of their relationship. He said it was the emotional, intellectual connection that we have. The other woman in the scenario he really likes but she’s married and I believe she has a child. She stays married for the kid and I think before he met me there was a small part of him that hoped she’d get a divorce so he could explore a relationship with her. He told me that although there are a lot of things he really likes about her, that our relationship evolved and theirs didn’t because of her situation. He keeps in touch with both of them and neither of them know about us. Another question, is he keeping them around in case we don’t work, or is it truly what he said, he dreads the day he has to break the news to them because he knows both of them will be hurt and he doesn’t like to be the one to hurt other people. Especially people like that whom he cares about.
For anyone who takes the time to read this and respond, I sincerely thank you for your time.